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willie nelson · Aug 25, 2009, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Windows 7 is going to be released very soon and it supports touch screens.

There is a difference between something being supported, and it being actually usable.

Windows 7 and touch screens are still in the former category.

Cebe · Aug 25, 2009, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Keyboard and mouse all the way; I wont be leaning over my desk to prod my monitor any time soon. Just seems so inefficient. Sure, if you want to be able to touch 2 points on your screen...you go for it; crack on, but I'll stick with my good old faithful mouse.

Painbringer · Aug 25, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

no difference IMO programable keyboards now that is an advantage

MirkoTeran · Aug 25, 2009, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

There is a difference between something being supported, and it being actually usable.

Windows 7 and touch screens are still in the former category.

This.

There is also a huge difference between using touch screens just as substitute for mouse, or using it at its (full) potential (as in: alternative interface).

I tried playing a few games on an Itronix laptop who had touchscreen (single touch, like a mouse replacement). GW was freaking hard to play. It was fun to use skill at touch of the screen, but movement and everything else was just a pain. Warcraft3 on the other hand, was very nice and easy to play.

Daesu · Aug 25, 2009, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

There is a difference between something being supported, and it being actually usable.

Windows 7 and touch screens are still in the former category.

I believe the game has to be programmed to make use of it too. It seems pretty usable to me at least for controlling the windows shell.

Marvollo Gaunt · Aug 25, 2009, 03:23 PM // 15:23

unless you're playing gw on like a tablet or something, and REALLY don't want to use the keyboard, then I can see the touch feature being feasible. Otherwise, I don't think people would want to be holding their arm out in front of them for hours at a time poking their monitor.
Aside from that, what would give touch users more of an advantage? Sure you could click a spot you want to move and then tap a skill you want to use in rapid succession, but we can already do that with a mouse and keyboard.

Caelus The Fallen · Aug 25, 2009, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Single-touch? Mouse is probably faster. Nulti-touch - now that could be handy, epecially in concert with a convensional mouse (hey, they don't need to be mutually exclusive).
I think the technology is still in its infancy though, it is more of a "watch this space" kind of thing.

Quaker · Aug 25, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

At any rate, I doubt that GW would need to specially programmed to use a touch pad (in Win7). I would assume that Win7 would simply read the position of the "touch" and put x,y data and "click" data in the same places it puts the same data from a mouse.

Reverend Dr · Aug 26, 2009, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Sure it is much faster, I bet I can touch all 4 corners of my screen much faster with my 2 hands than you do so with a single mouse pointer.

First off, getting a touch screen to register a touch is much more difficult and slower than just touching, or have you never used any touch sensitive technology. Second off, no I can still reach all four corners with a mouse faster than touching the screen, I'm also not alone.

Daesu · Aug 26, 2009, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

First off, getting a touch screen to register a touch is much more difficult and slower than just touching, or have you never used any touch sensitive technology. Second off, no I can still reach all four corners with a mouse faster than touching the screen, I'm also not alone.

I dont know what crappy touch screens you have been using

but we use several touch screens where I work, including the HP TouchSmart and the Dell touch screens.

http://www.hp.com/united-states/camp...hsmart/#/Main/

Have you tried the Surface PC from Microsoft? We have a few of those too. It has excellent response time. Your table becomes your touch screen.

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 26, 2009, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Daesu

What I am curious to know is, would this give a huge advantage to users with touch screens, should the game designers decide to support a touch interface in the future?

Unlikely. Due to something called mouse sensitivity, a mouse user will still have an advantage over a touchscreen user: a mouse user can move the cursor around faster than the touchscreen user can move their finger (the finger has to physically travel the distance, the mouse barely needs to move) while still having better accuracy than the touchscreen user.

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Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi

Think of fps games and touch screen. just tap the screen at someones head. boomhead shot!

FPS does not work that way.

You aim exactly at the centre of your screen. Touching someone's head isn't going to make your targeting reticle magically change its position on your screen.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Sure it is much faster, I bet I can touch all 4 corners of my screen much faster with my 2 hands than you do so with a single mouse pointer.

Let me know when you get the handless keyboard working.

Daesu · Aug 26, 2009, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Unlikely. Due to something called mouse sensitivity, a mouse user will still have an advantage over a touchscreen user: a mouse user can move the cursor around faster than the touchscreen user can move their finger (the finger has to physically travel the distance, the mouse barely needs to move) while still having better accuracy than the touchscreen user.

If the mouse is overly sensitive on a HUGE screen, it becomes hard to control. At a certain screen size, it is easier to use touch than to use a mouse.

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 26, 2009, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by Daesu

If the mouse is overly sensitive on a HUGE screen, it becomes hard to control. At a certain screen size, it is easier to use touch than to use a mouse.

At that screen size, it also becomes hard to see anything

and your finger will be far too big for such a tiny screen.

Daesu · Aug 26, 2009, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

At that screen size, it also becomes hard to see anything

and your finger will be far too big for such a tiny screen.

Not if you have a high resolution monitor at the same time.

BlackAngel · Aug 26, 2009, 10:44 AM // 10:44

No one has mentioned long fingernails yet. Me being girl gamer I have set of claws on me and it would be very akward to use touch screen without puncturing it

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king swift · Aug 31, 2009, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Ive been beta testing windows 7. It runs with no problems. I like to think of it as windows XP with many significant upgrades. As far as a touchscreen goes. Why? There is nothing that would give you an advantage over a mouse user.

Daesu · Aug 31, 2009, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Yes, Windows 7 is more stable and faster than Vista. Actually Windows 7 Beta is more stable and faster than Vista but that is just my personal opinion.

Agree that keyboard shortcuts are still the fastest but not everything can be done through the keyboard.

I have heard women with long finger nails complaining about the iPhone touch screen too, but it is still popular.

trialist · Aug 31, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01

I wouldn't really use a touch screen in pvp. While you would normally click the mouse or press keyboard buttons frantically in a heated match, and especially so if you are running a spammy build, with a touch screen, you would have a tendency to jab at the screen instead.

A cracked or scratched screen would be the result before long. The more emotional pvp players might even switch from jabbing the screen to punching it if they lose lol.

Dallcingi · Sep 01, 2009, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Touch screen in Guild Wars will be hard to use...
i think its meant to take notes digitally =p

Reverend Dr · Sep 02, 2009, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I dont know what crappy touch screens you have been using

but we use several touch screens where I work, including the HP TouchSmart and the Dell touch screens.

I don't know what delusion you are living under where touch screens are responsive enough to keep up with the number of actions per minute of competitive gaming. Also I can move my mouse on my screen faster than you can move your hands across a monitor.